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xx The Second Coming (Part 2)
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The Second Coming (Part 2)
However, if you believe in any shape, form or fashion that the Bible is the Word of God, the “second coming” of Jesus Christ must be taken as a genuine future event from the time of its documentation. And since we have no record of it occurring from the time of its documentation until the present, we can safely assume it remains a future event. Can we agree on this?

Post-Tribulationists and Pre-Tribulationists should both be in agreement with this concept. The question that remains and demands to be answered is, when will the moment we are “caught up” take place? Yes, it is as simple as asking the scripture a question such as this, and allowing it to answer for itself.

QUESTION : When will we be caught up to meet Jesus in the air ?
ANSWER :
1. When Jesus returns.
Can we agree on this?

2. When Jesus appears the next time.
Can we agree on this?

3. The next time Jesus appears will be the “second time” Jesus appears.
Can we agree on this?

At this juncture I am forced to repeat myself. There is only one passage in the whole of God’s Word (to my knowledge) which attaches any numerical value (much less the specific numerical “two”) within its text and without any question refers to a coming of the Lord thereby positively identifying itself as the “second time” he will appear. It is, of course Hebrews 9:28, and once again the answer is as sure as death and judgment. Hebrews 9:27.

Hebrews 9:27-28
27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28. So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Hebrews 9:28 does not confirm the Rapture, because it does not mention being “caught up”, from whence the word Rapture was derived. It does however provide us with the numerical value which determines its location in the order of Jesus’ appearances and verifies this record as his second inside that succession. In addition, it confirms the primary aspect of the Rapture teaching, which is also the other most controversial subject the Church can not agree on.

In regards to this passage, if you ask the scripture, “Who is Jesus going to appear to when he appears the second time”? Taking the Word of God at face value the scripture clearly answers, “unto them that look for him”. No one has to accept this phrase to be significant inside the context of the verse, but there is no denying that is what it says. I prefer to believe the Word of God as it is written. You may believe what you wish.

The appearances of Jesus that are most commonly referred to, has him coming with/or/in the clouds of heaven, in/or/with great power and great glory (Matthew 24:29-30, Mark 13:24-26 and Luke 21:25-27).

Matthew 24:29-30
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mark 13:24-26
24. But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25. And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Luke 21:25-27
25. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26. Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

These passages paired together in context suggest they speak of the same coming as it is also recorded in Revelation 1:7.

Revelation 1:7
7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

This appearance, that is so obviously the glorious appearing (every eye shall see him) undoubtedly takes place at the end of The Great Tribulation Period (after the tribulation of those days). But, these narratives do not record the numerical value identifying any of them as the second coming, nor do they agree with the description of Hebrews 9:28 that does (unto them that look for him shall he appear “the second time”).

The writer of Hebrews records clearly that he will appear to those who are looking for him and defines that appearance as the second time. These two criteria are then associated with the return of Jesus Christ in our future, due to the fact it has not yet occurred. Nowhere else in scripture are we given these two pieces of information attached to a single passage that is referring to an appearance of our Lord Jesus Christ. This is it. Or as my friend and former partner Texas peace officer extraordinaire Dennis Martin would say, “There it is”!

Since the passage of Hebrews is so dissimilar than the text of Matthew, Mark and Luke, the differences in their descriptions suggest there will be two separate events, both of which involve an appearance of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Rapture, (the second time) appearing only to the select few who are looking for his return which will initiate the Great Tribulation Period. Then the traditional Second Coming, when the entire population of the world will see and witness his triumphant glorious appearing which will end The Great Tribulation Period.

Also, if you think about it, how fitting it is for those two events to occur at just those particular times. In the book of Revelation, which is dealing directly with Jesus’ teachings on and description of The Great Tribulation, he repeatedly says of himself, “I am the beginning and the end.”

But, since this “theory” is derived from the assumption that the Rapture is in fact a biblical teaching from a predetermined Pre-Tribulation perspective, we need scriptural corroboration in order to accept it as truth. Is there a passage of scripture that would help us confirm this “interpretation” of two separate comings of the Lord ? I believe there is, and as it happens, Jesus himself is again the speaker.

Luke 17:20-22
20. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
22. And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

The main subject of Luke 17:20 - 21 is the kingdom of God and its coming. We will limit our study within that boundary. It is also necessary to be conscious of when we are reading in relation to time. Although we are in the Gospel according to Luke contained within the pages of what we refer to as The New Testament, we are not reading within the New Covenant. The Pharisees are asking a question inside the Old Covenant. Jesus, the sacrificial lamb, has not yet given his life for the sins of the world.

In addition, the “caught up” event from the perspective of the Old Covenant was a mystery which was unknown to the Old Testament saints. Therefore, when the beginning of the kingdom of God was the subject of conversation, the only point of reference an early first century Jew had was what we refer to as The Old Testament today, along with any available texts that were of a Jewish religious origin, but not inspired by the Spirit.

He then turns to his disciples, with the subject of the coming of the Kingdom of God still the topic, and makes reference to the days of the Son of man, making the two subjects synonymous. But when he does so, he mentions the days in the plural, and then a time that will come when the disciples will desire to see one of them.

“One of the days of the Son of man” is a direct indication of more than one, confirmed by the rest of the scripture in its descriptions as two, beginning and ending the time known as The Great Tribulation Period. And again, it is fitting that the two appearances of the Lord Jesus Christ should take place at just those times. For,

Revelation 1:8
8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
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xx Re: The Second Coming (Part 2)
« Reply #1 on: Feb 19th, 2010, 7:20pm »

Hello Rev J.W.

In what I'm understanding in all this, is that Christ at the rapture is a appearance
and all eyes will "not see him" A THIEF..... and the second coming as many refer to coming on the clouds with great power..... ALL EYES WILL SEE HIM. which separates the two meanings, as the CATCHING AWAY vs Coming back with GREAT POWER TO RULE and destroy the wickedness that is at hand.

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« Reply #2 on: Feb 20th, 2010, 04:17am »

That is essentially correct.

At the Rapture, he will appear to only those who are looking for him. But at his Glorious Appearing he will be revealed to the entire world. That is what the scripture is describing if we are to accept every passage at face value, taking all phrasing of The Word into consideration.

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