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Most Pre-Tribulationists believe in eternal security of the believer, also known as once saved always saved, and the concept of a Rapture that is conditional in any way conflicts with their established doctrinal beliefs of salvation. Those beliefs are almost universally derived from and through the denomination of which they are associated.

Although I am opposed to the term “once saved always saved”, due to the suggestion one can live whatever lifestyle one wishes after salvation (there are consequences to such actions), I do believe in eternal security of the believer. When the scripture is taken as literal there is no doubt the Bible teaches everlasting refuge for the entire family of God. That is what salvation is. Becoming a child of God through the blood sacrifice of his Son, Jesus Christ. Through the rebirth experience we literally become blood kin to the creator.

(That is an awesome concept).

Through faith and acceptance in his grace he effectively “saves” us from everlasting flowersation in hell. Everlasting flowersation is perpetual separation from the presence of God throughout eternity “future” which, with the inclusion of hell itself, was originally prepared for the devil and his angels.

Mark 3:29
29. But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal flowersation:

Blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, is the rejection of the Holy Spirit’s urging toward repentance from unbelief by any individual under the conviction of that presence. The Holy Spirit can, and regularly does, convict unbelievers of their unbelief repetitively. This call to repentance can be initiated by loved ones who intervene through prayer to the Father for the salvation of the unbeliever.

Mark 3:29 mentions the unbeliever is in danger of eternal flowersation. They are in danger continually throughout their physical life during their rejection of the call to repentance. If they never yield during their time in this life, at the point of physical death and spiritual separation from the body, they are guilty of blaspheme against the Holy Ghost and their sin of unbelief goes un-forgiven. They are then doomed to everlasting flowersation and separated from the Holy God of creation throughout everlasting. There will be no second chance.

The illustration of the rebirth experience can be seen in Jesus’ discussion of that process with Nicodemus. In that lesson Jesus likens the spiritual birth to the physical birth. Nicodemus was understandably confused when Jesus told him that a person must be born again.

He was, of course, speaking of a believers rebirth through the Spirit of God which was to be initiated with his physical death on the cross (in its representation of his spiritual death or separation from the Father) and subsequent resurrection from the grave. But by equating the salvation experience to the birth process, Jesus places the condition of permanency on the final state of the believer.

Once an individual is physically conceived there is no process that can reverse or change who the biological parents of the offspring are. (And make no mistake, conception is the continuation of the pre-existence of life given by God. Any willful interruption of that process constitutes a deliberate extermination of the continuation of life).

By the same token, once a person is reborn through the Spirit of God, they become a child of God never again to be anything else. Our relationship to God is not in question, he is our heavenly Father. Our fellowship, however is quite a different matter.

Since the scripture teaches there are conditions to be met in order to take part in the Rapture of the Bride of Christ, the doctrine can not be in conflict with “grace”. We understand from the scripture, that it is by grace we are saved.

Ephesians 2:4-10
4. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are savedwink
6. And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7. That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9. Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Verse four declares God’s love for his creation. That love evokes the grace of God that benefits us initially through the acceptance and reception of salvation, and then through fellowship with God inside the relationship of being a born again offspring of God. Verse five points out even when we were dead (separated from God) in sin (the disobedience of unbelief) he had “quickened” us (given us life) together through Jesus Christ. This was done through his foreknowledge at the beginning of creation. Since the physical was spoken into existence by him in a “moment” before time complete from beginning to end, through the very nature of the process of creation itself, he knows the end from the beginning. We are preordained through our choice in him at the point of creation itself. This is confirmed in verse six in that we have already been raised up together and are made to sit in heavenly places.

Since we are informed by God’s Word it is by grace (the grace of God) we are saved, we know salvation is obtained by way of grace. But what is grace. If we are saved by grace, and we just determined we are, then grace and salvation can not be the same thing, although it is obvious they are akin to one another under the New Covenant.

In reality, grace is the good favor of God. We, as the children of the living God are charged by him to stay (or continue) in his grace (or good favor).

Luke 2:40
40. And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

The child being spoken of in this passage is Jesus himself. He waxed (was empowered, increased with vigor, was strengthened, was made strong) in the Spirit of God, and through the Spirit he was filled with wisdom, and the grace (good favor) of God was upon him. Jesus was in good favor with the Father (was, is and ever will be, perpetually) by continually being obedient to the will of God in all things. But the grace of God being upon him had nothing whatsoever to do with salvation. Jesus being God manifested in the flesh, was in no need of salvation himself (no matter who has told you otherwise). Therefore, although grace (the good favor of God) is a necessary part of salvation, (there would be no salvation without God’s good favor) it is not salvation in and of itself.

Grace alone can not save, but obedience to the will of God in accordance with his good favor (grace) with which he loved us to the point of his own death (or separation) does. The scripture uses many such illustrations from the physical world to draw attention to its counterpart in the spiritual.


Ephesians 2:8-10
8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9. Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

The gift of God is salvation, and we are saved by God’s grace through faith in his promise to do. And he will. Always. This is confirmed again (salvation by grace through faith) in our next passage.

Romans 5:15
15. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead (spiritually separated), much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Salvation is the free gift of God. Through disobedience Adam caused death (separation from God, or the state of being lost) to pass onto all his descendants. The reconciliation of mankind to God is salvation through his Son, Jesus Christ. The gift of salvation is obtained by way of the grace (good favor) of God.

2nd Corinthians 5:18-19
18. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19. To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Hebrews 2:15-18
15. And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Jesus through his death and resurrection, has broken the bondage man had lived in since the fall of Adam, and set every captive free that will believe and accept the precious gift of salvation. It was not free, but it costs us nothing. Jesus has already paid the price, once, for all, and forever.
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